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Standards Based Grades: Are You Confused?

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Dr. Lusher helps us revisit this important conversation as a community of learners. This video was recorded from the session presented to the community in cooperation with the Grandview Public Library on October 22nd.

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hear the timing of this I feel like his is could be better and cousin having this conversation cuz as you know her on the precipice of report cards were on the precipice of parent-teacher conferences and it was just setback we talked about face reading practice is not how we grew up so this was foreign territory and if you are than you know and Olentangy or New Albany a Worthington Hilliard Grandview 2006 to 2008 song transition to Sanders based grading practices you and understanding of where we've been and where we're going and why we're revisiting the conversation and Grandview hopefully to provide Clarity consistency better information to our students and information for parents on how we can support the learning of our heads so are you confused it's okay music use my husband is a litmus test you know he's business like this you and he's like so it's okay play were here and my goal is to continue this conversation we are videotaping this and then also we're going to continue to revisit this conversation with her because when you don't have time to dial off and really dig into that consistency or what we call inter-rater reliability of what I'm using is that and what Janice for an alignment we're missing the mark and we have a flawed model in process so our primary focus and answer these two essential questions what are standard based grades and why do we use them play video engraved happening to us if you don't mind syllogistic good question let's talk about it to the bell curve what do we know about this is not right or wrong what do you know about her middle of the average I told you that  70% landed here what is you know about me volume over here really smart play might have a couple of dudes out here right you know about me soccer shut off what was the world telling the world is the bell curve telling them that true  so we were here Run This Town it happens to all of us I'm sure we probably all have her stories I remember with great clarity and my doctor offered in my statistics Professor saying to me we're going to have it it should be crazy this class where I have a sprinkling of ice and a sprinkling of bees and a sprinkling of cease and the rest of you when I get to see you next semester I remember that show me this information evidence based on what I was capable of  what played a variable in that everybody else so  this is my pain if you could such pain but I love you a little fish play pain right in that pop  pain is informing me where I stand in that place right show me look at that distribution range we're going to talk about it we look at those golfers whose Bell cars are norms aren't the same for every population population of our students the same as South-Western City School Famous Columbus know but the way you feel is that Big Fish Little Fish just an excuse one information AP classes information to make decisions about what we think it's okay to look at tell what they're capable of and surprised at how early they do that I've been at this for 20 years I would never do this clash of can you tell me the five smartest people in this classroom kids can do it Al-Anon that tail either way and I support  okay so when we think about that transition again I'm not telling you anything kids are way more than a dog, we know that but we know I can't we know that integrity that is definitely one piece of white again store  water centers East Graves in why do we use them  so greatest supposed to provide an accurate when's an indicator of a child's learning of Mastery of the standards so basically what we're teaching and then how they're mastering that  we don't dilute it but things like comparing to the population of other learner Stewie that's not what you're going to agree  how about this remember this I do you know this is my kind of termites can you just recited 15 points new your criteria  no but it happened and I was saying probably still have some degree lots of places including our district so that's why it's important to revisit this discussion because I would say it's like the game of telephone that you played in your little you don't know how far you're getting play from this until you set your grown or to come back and have that special okay I want to write a sympathy card to my first class and the teacher I never asked myself this question what else does a zero provide to me as a teacher  but I got an idea I mean especially meeting of talking at you I don't want to do very well David learn anything play no more from a 40% I know what they knew or didn't know forces his hero the Cap'n they're learning I went by the way when you put their evidence together if you still they can overcome that that's going to crush them so when we think about zeros there are some districts that have Edward policy Zero's cannot be given  if that's the case even if they don't turn in their assignment I mean I mean general means what is that compliance Behavior apiece or is that evidence of learning and then that's where we have that conversation because then that means you don't let them off the hook she let him know the Good Bad and the Ugly let's figure out how we do that if it's in your working he just don't want to do it let's talk about it because failure is not a dirty work but apathy and to try those are ugly words right because it's not holding kids accountable with teachers at had that old mindset of they didn't do anything so I'm giving him a zero why would you let that be a gap in their learning give him an incomplete and let's have them come in and let's do the work and see where they are and then determine how I supported help that okay but this one hello right now he's ready he's hanging on by I don't know till this semester is over it's all or nothing we know that we know that this is not an effective model now that being said even if we talked about standards-based says only two grades in a great book and you have all these formative it's still feels like the semester killer recitation of whether it is you know day today for minutes and a project for portfolio some way to get information you don't have all that information about that student you can't have just one or two pieces of information because it feels very much like this semester killer the midterm in the final a shirt with Mark and Eileen a story that I'm not very proud of most students would share this with you there have a really really risk High School pathway you take AP classes some of your generals your first year of college or life I know this like why am I it's my freshman year was in a marine biology class when you gone to places like Andros Island like you can teach the class I showed up for like the midterm in the file that the 40 year old would be like 12 that class get something of Interest learn something new but even the kids that get it or getting nothing out of this because they're playing a game in their cramming those two data points are supported by every bit of that form of that information your games rough and you know exactly  select shop what about some toxic practices are great views we talked about zeros and learn to talk about the master killer talk about the bell curve we talked about Appliance pieces in there so you out of all the points and then we give you an average okay what's wrong with that the median and the mode set the most statistically accurate one for looking at the central think central tendency of all that data although ordinal numbers all those greats the most accurate one the one actually use is the median and not the me and I'm going to show you what to say plates to use the media  so use me  how do I show me when you give me an example so if you're going to calculate I was going to have you do it do what you hear me do you mind if me so can you just take all those grades and let them together basically get an average writing me to synonymous for average right so in this scenario this student has three days to see if you ask her when you have percentages because you have to be like a 30% Hershey versus like the 92 this scenario when you do this when you average out the mean she's getting a c  but when I look at the set of as a whole when I calculate the median so we're here that 3 on this side 3 on this side of a look at the average of the venous air right if you have have an odd set of data do you have to look at the average you would still be a be right  so that would be her great that's a small but they k sing about the outlier peace and you talk about the percentage of what the f * with the Azar Sheila Smiley Galaxy plus by the teacher that appreciating in this enough you know I said the other day to a teacher who we have a great time what day is gone you want to take your kid to a pediatrician that didn't look at Snapple file going to take your doctor who still did exploratory surgery and didn't use them so we've got to get past that and there's a science to this and beyond that it's all but I cannot see for kids like we have to make sure what is a reusing is precise and then it's accurate and then we can justify it so we can come back to this agree to supposed to write an accurate on play the Navigator machines Master lowering the standards so we should be using the media not the me as well  tornado that are fundamental questions for the session what are let me ask reason why are we using them different especially for our emerging runners when you're in kindergarten dumb now I'm not going to do well you know we're here you know what to write what else why would we consider the Masters  he want to focus on his grades I think I said earlier this going to Runners know who the smartest kids in the class are they see it everyday they see play to the bookstore reading they hear their vocabulary they see how much they can write how much they have  and other pieces that  it allows us to Pakistan that student in Fairgrove and that's really important that the successful is ours because our kids are cheap they're going to achieve the standards if we don't focus on their interest we don't wrap learning around them they Flatline Sochi but they're not growing and achieving right and so that means both ends not only are kids here to be supported on this scale but those kids that are here we've always done really well when we try to increase the rigor they don't have resiliency they freak out when they get it because they've always been a hundred you know it's so those are the kinds of conversations  so we and we appreciate a 500 base grades are and I'm going to post I can also send you the the presentation itself Standard time that we aligned and wrote last year K12 it is now articulated for our entire district and every free level it's not a lot are the lower provided assistance in Paris so let's talk I will be honest with you when I looked at the report cards face 6  I was surprised at the one the learning attribute very compliance-based  cape and then when I looked at the language for like under reading and they were I can statements that's all very limited and didn't feel organic but he could easily gather information about how Kathleen was doing right in your reading is it integrated process felt very stifled so I open the door and we had a committee together I've committed teachers we worked all spring and all summer and fall to have the discussion and they can because when you talk about grading practices and your philosophy of grading and what you believe kids should learn how they should learn it can get very problematic I think it was Hemingway who said that to change the picture of off a school of easier to move a cemetery I mean we have this conversation play that face your performance against the standard with others. And there's nothing if your principles are set with you because every kid got a four or three you should be running the last around that room because they're in shaving or extending the standard you're doing it together and that's grey second pieces that directly aligned with what you're teaching of learning objectives you have none of the work you completed what is your which essential questions today the oven inside pool from you as a class would be directly aligned to see if your answer was better than hers oceans are given the opportunity to achieve and to go beyond the standards no more sprinkling of the great right we're meeting you where you are some of your progressing some of you but guess what you all patient will look like  and it should provide the student in the pair of more precise and detailed information regarding academic progress summer Flores why we're having that discussion and ran do because the model that we've had has not done that it's been really hard for her teachers to defend their proper to feel good about the information they're Gathering and then to be able to say to you I think that for because she's done XY and z or Eileen are to hear because reducing the type of writing that I need or to independently I'm still working really hard to get her to produce that writing an hour to go to release responsibility so this we look at that fourth area that's definitely the referral I think the other areas we talked about away from what feels like that semester killer because we don't have a lot of information where can I actually complete a composite for what goes into a braid  hurricane shop there for a second pause cuz I'm going to weeds cuz I want train working on and what you can see in the next couple weeks or conversation you know as I share this information with you as you think about the recruiter get your conferences are going to have I hope that you have a nice segue into getting into some of those discussions about the evidence that you provided about your child and where they are in their learning Chopper II so this card it will be different than it is here play K12 in free the language is the same for now but they are adopting the criteria I'm going to show you there's a reason for that because I think that's part of the discussion for next year we may look at moving to trimesters for the K3 building because of the amount of Assessments and Diagnostics lyrics for those little guys and will have better information to provide or appearance when I look at what a lot of information so we're going to talk about that but they are the consistency of the 432 or 1 hour and they really like the learning edge of you so I'm going to show you because it goes really nicely with their response of classroom yes sorry I'm going to Backups 2 minute and I did apologize if I've missed us and you probably already covered it when you say standard are you talking about Ohio standard like that's what the definition of standard is or is it something Randy comes up with what is the definition of Curry? case of the state of Ohio has learn Standard English language where is New Lawrence anderton outer Ohio standards for using the time to sit down and look closely at those standards and be able to create learning objectives essential questions identify key vocabulary the standard we use those standards to guide our instructions essentially the what are teachers have developed that crickets and some of them are very dense and not user-friendly and you'd like I can pronounce these words but we need to have Clary and what in the state of Ohio YouTube good question dancer well I have this but if that would be a day for that they sealed the kids really still like that ad where they fall in those things that makes turn it up to me he'll get it to and I'm like what are not acceptable in our house always like that cheerleading on I love the fact that our sixth grade teachers have adopted standards-based report cards the challenges that a sixth grader sits in the Middle School Starshine the hit grade they're so excited like in New Albany we caught on the transition from the big house building they were like 6th grade we have you know I can parents love it too because grades made sense they're like oh yay no more there and continue on but in our hearts as Educators really, it's you know we now and turn right so what we done with 6th grade as we have a line the learning standards on the report card to the curriculum really enhance learning attributes or also adding an ancillary piece that's called a grade equivalency it won't count but Sam will be able to see that if we average play this is what he would have to help transition because in 7th grade cats are more for that so yes and actually it was our 6th grade teachers last year like my second day on the job that I can we talk to you about the green card after you seem Worthington that we liked it so we talked about because the other piece was the motivation Factor when you get into Adolescence in Middle School to your point if I have some skin in the game with that so you better feel like it matters whether you get the 3 or the 4 capable of the four it's so that's where they feel like would be very helpful I need to ask that question how many colleges will ever adopted Senator so far behind I would love I mean I sit on all these boards and he know it's frightening I know College where the teachers trying to get the average to be a 30 you know how your life in the balance is that we cannot bear your head in the sand because at the end of the day stuff to do after perform  okay so what do the numbers mean you're going to see some more precise Rush Hour the report I'll be honest with you and I looked at the one two three or four I had a really difficult I'm even Discerning like will how would you gather evidence so I asked if he should I like I don't know working fuse to help us I mean truly so we got in the room and have those discussions and really care about some more precise language we tried to be very explicit so when you look at a certain that's extending the standard or going Beyond we really try to honor what we want to see in terms of the gradual release of responsibility of our instruction go to the classrooms of learning spaces are makerspaces unlike who's doing the car that heavy lifting I'm doing it now but I will be at relation responsibility to some point to be doing some of that heavy lift you should see that any Sanders and this is really miss the mark of reaching her highest flying kids cuz they get suffocated cuz we never let go but we never say Hey you send it I was think about is my dinosaur kid everything about dinosaur things and Italy extends Beyond achieving that standard Beyond sheep lower that standards are always a cheating heard there were two separate 40oz for the learning attributes and the content why we need to be looking at the same criteria because if that's a sauce perseverance and they're not turning in their work and they're getting zeros we should be gathering evidence and instructing the exact same way because those are Abel's matter every bit as much so we look at that extending its consistently applying their learning in new and innovative ways and making connections a cheating would be a student independently and cancer play demonstrating successful Mastery of the grade level or developmental expectations through instruction and practice the most wonderful things I have evidence that you're achieving Independence to do that Your Cheatin that pretty little benchmark progressing would be the student is going to straighten gradual progress towards that standard or developmental expectation through exposures and some instructional support I would say this we talked about that release responsibility I do we do you do we're still at we do we haven't been able to really let go so we got to go by so that progressing piece is that release of responsibility from I do we do now you do or not quite to the YouTube so I'll give you a story I was talking to a parent and she I love when I said out something and I get really good information and questions for parents so he said to me you know understand the difference between and the teachers me and my kids are doing great but I just wanted to work and so I gave her a story bring it back to being a mom so I have a son who is probably a 4-3 in Reading so what heaven is like you know who is doing the heavy lifting with him I get it I know it and so that's a bit of a shift and that's going to have to be some conversation we had is a bad thing it just means that now with more information be able to bust open what English language arts is and look specifically at informational text and reading and writing the language you're going to get more descriptive information about how the students are truly  so it was funny because the mom telling was white when I said I hope he gets it too who are you and why are you leaving or stupid like I know what he's doing support peace Peter one of the things that we need to think about it we respond as a school bus school to how child should you how should you progressing when a child has unique needs either academically emotionally  we need to be thinking about that support giving every child what they need and so one of these talks about is it you know a lot of times you'll see her for Christmas permit are not needing the mark that feels like to me we're just rehearsing meal. Casa Park  just put the ownership back on us that we need to be providing support in a way that helps that student still May 4th towards that standard and that was really important in our which is really felt strongly about that because we are a couple things precise language to give good information that was aligned to the standards tell her parents understand exactly what they were doing with an ultimately to make sure that we had a Nexus between all the things that we teach and where we want us to just be in the end. any questions on that the four three two or one that will be the language that used k-6 so and that will be an insert in your report card what you're saying so there's computer so Sam doesn't turn in his homework but he does great in class like he's going to get to I don't know how cheaper show you the next part that's right what their learning and this is where your kid likes and who probably you know gets A's on all this test matches the condoms are going to get free but then we good pants and some of those compliance pieces but it's you know but that's again we have to own the instruction of that that's Wellness that's a soft variable what about that we can come back to any of this but the learning attributes these are derived from our 21st century learning skills girls that get you promoted  French emanated. Takes a good employee to a great employee should I sign into Lake has no personal skills disposition of everything can I see some care about you question stores with those skills and tap  I asked her staff members to close her eyes and I said think about a portion of a graduate think about your child think about kids me to seniors what skills do they have intact and I'm not talking about knowledge what skills do they have attacked and then we started praying for me and talking and I said overarching conversations but how does something that compliance-based LBZ saw this kind of wave of light we can do something about integrate so we're looking pieces and more powerful language boating instruction of around what we consider to be those important soft skills so accountability for your actions organization learning work Pleasant Island us if I don't show up to a meeting with information I'm available for timer  you know again what you think about the developer Pierce Turner small groups and over super important has been placed on a terms of our evidence for the instruction requirement of our instruction to teach somebody can you get somebody to speak communication interpersonal with digital that reciprocal piece can you look at these skills we're going to be kids and is that make sense can you know what she's doing really well here before she's not listening she's just plow and her crew pork she's going to yes shoppies the partnership  Santa Fe Karen healthful thoughtful seeking to understand other people's needs those and that's important does it mean you agree with everybody and I think this is super important for our girls in particular are girls I sometimes think I think that kindness letting themselves be pushed around or sending them hello. They're absolutely not you don't have to agree or just say nothing there's always a way to have a conversation and to build understanding to see to understand country or just let it go honesty with yourself adult Spears and then my personal favorite perseverance grit taking risks not giving up I mean this is where I talk about those kids that are super high Achievers and I've never had to be in their life and they actually crumble and then you got those kids like my husband who Arby's Edward free to take risk because the better you do the more you have to lose and oh my gosh I might look stupid and as I said earlier you know I'm taking a risk screening what is not the only word in that and that situation you know it's it's it's beyond that so we really like that's an important piece of this also resourcefulness Sean staneart age there's so much information and the abundance of it may be overwhelming I think that it changes the dynamic of the teacher in the classroom makes us one part of this will help kids that the quality of those resources can be appropriate for their needs where can I really work together on that to do sub with only that that's important also for self adults piers in materials but most importantly we felt like for this that self peace their kids really Demon's Souls the same as empowered Learners or outdoors and then that reciprocity between the organization and then head NC to those learning attributes you will see on the report card will be a comment section teams will collaborate around those learning attributes and you'll see a for three tour but the same information are criteria that we've used to determine where students are now boy has a parent thing I'm looking at it matters to me change your  can't make you love kids so when we think about this you know this 11 Flow but this is where we're headed and I think it's really good and I take it takes step in the right direction will continue to have these conversations I think that you know this is something that needs discussion every year and we need to continue to to be keeping those is open for communication with her her parents are teachers that then ultimately I think she your planner students so they look familiar to you it really gives you a more verbose version of the conversation that I've had in more spirited wait here with the research base grades play something like this with most of it isn't reset on one of our similar and Light District actually did something a sinner base grades with the actually use the poker with figuring I don't know cancel the wheels a popped out there Cav versus what a traditional breaker to have this is what I understood why they struggled so much even though he said her space we didn't have any other criteria we were different and Evergreen level are we were reporting based on a certain subject area distance across on a 4211 so that's you know that that was a challenge  can you discover that that first just just cross all schools Kitty six different at each grade level like what is that mean area across every building and every grade level so whether I'm in kindergarten up to sixth grade those standards are consistent in the line with a cricket and then the evidence that this is the same to let me give you a scenario that you might have a son is in first grade and first grade teachers may say you know we never give for Star kids just too cheap and raise levels together sixth grade and everybody gets forced because they're all doing well because we don't have consistency of the criteria that we use to determine what goes into those crates the other thing is that what time is dinner I said when I looked at the report cards they were different and every relevel a different learning targets you know have any way to determine then if your aligned is just classic Joe's great has this and Melissa's great has this and there's no lights there's no consistency which means that it's really like it's every year you're Reinventing the wheel information of Penny presenting to parents not articulated inconsistent convention because there's not consistency of language across the grade levels so and again our teachers want to be here but they had to have the time to have a conversation to be honest you going to courage to discuss this stuff because it's really personal and if you don't know what you're doing you're just Reinventing an old model and I'm not saying that that happened but we we we go Lots change and Alignment conversation needed to take place and we had to get people in the room to have it so that's a great question that you asked so now we don't working towards that consistency similar criteria so that each ear you can look at that information and get a sense of how your child's doing so I'll be able to look at Braddock and fourth grade let's see how your writings doing this year you're free now let's see how you're doing now now that the elevation of what's expected in fourth grade and see how you're responding and if you haven't proven or you are progressing a little bit more about how teachers are trained in using the standards because the downside potentially is it it's the pain situation but now it's what teacher you have determined gear for 302 exactly about that and let them sit down and make the discussion something like the learning attributes are done in collaboration they'll also bring to the table that interrater reliability wear if I'm not real sure I'm going to say hey let's talk about this because I am not sure that this is a two or three and let me let me talk to you about this what we said about and responsibilities who's doing the heavy lifting are you able to stop and let that child independently consistently do that work in are they achieving the standard when we have those discussions you're going to see consistency move away from that Greek food where are the extra credit for the next but you didn't so you get the what piece of it's really important to your phone need to continue that discussion and make sure that the evidence is the same that were utilizing that consistently across every grade level and then vertically King sex Avenue parent to the district Gander operationalize there but it's not at an operational level are they going to be just a show history  sick and it will make this too one thing is we have to remember that they're going to generalize those skills and domains like algebra geometry number sense and so every gets killed providing should leave with the end in mind that it could be integrated in a much broader context the teacher that information and it says its job really good conversation where you're going to get a tease out so this is why that's their plan to they're going to be able to lead you to some more focus and precise areas where we can really support that learning as opposed to like that jumbled but I just got to see anything so should really help provide some more Clarion information

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